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Deva Blackfire
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.10.24 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/10/2009 07:30:32
As someone who flies bombers both solo and in very small (2 man) gang:
[Purifier, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Co-Processor II
Faint Warp Disruptor I
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Bomb Launcher I, Electron Bomb
Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Bay Loading Accelerator I
[Hound, New Setup 2]
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Bomb Launcher I, Electron Bomb
Ancillary Current Router I
Bay Loading Accelerator I
Advantages/disadvantages of MWD+MSE combo are above. It is not cap stable (boo hoo) but deals quite awesome damage and can surive a bit longer. When i roam north (guri NPCers) i usually go with puri+hound gang combo. As a result any battleship out there (be it mega/domi/raven) WILL die in about 30 seconds. Thats so fast that his small drones wont even get thru half of your shields.
And ofc most depends on target selection. If you do solo in purifier i would try and stay away from typhoons (it IS doable, but harder - tho the idea of using bomb with other damage type than your main is hawt - i've never did it this way myself).
Rest as per OP.
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also i dont like small cargo size when using boosters ;p Purifier above can easily hold 5 bombs + 300 spare torps (and full load in launcher). Or 4+800ish torps
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Deva Blackfire
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.10.24 11:33:00 -
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 Originally by: LordInvisible
two fitting mods? No tnx..
Val uses 2x nanofiber in place of fitting mods. Really not that much difference. He "tanks" with speed+agility i "tank" with MSE.
Except for 2x fitting mod or 2x nanofiber (and obvious MSE instead of injector needed for keeping MWD running) the rest is fairly similiar. Same dps output, speeds are more-less same (im at around 2km/s on hound he is at around 2,3-2,4). Plus im not saying "use this". Its just an option.
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Deva Blackfire
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.10.24 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/10/2009 12:05:20
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the main thing I like tought is the cap booster, the purpose is not really to be cap stable, but more to have cap for entire fight without problem, even under neutralizer. most target wont pack a neutralizer, it just that it happen, and this ensure survival
Pretty much this. Did lose bombers vs neutralizer BS, not fun. BUT there was small fun fact - it was AB/MSE bomber and between neut cycles it could easily laucnh overheated AB and get range (i died because it ook wrong alignment and instead of moving straight from enemy i moved thru his disruptor zone... stupid piloting). So even tho i personally dont like AB bombers anymore (bubbles issue) if you work from within hostile area (for example sit in Fountain in NPC stations and gank around) AB/MSE is viable.
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I said drake in red zone, mainly because As I said there, they are treaky target, if you start with bomber, ignore them, beleive me, until you know how to fly the thing and handle narrow situation its best, in my opinion. I killed drake myself, but maybe 5% of all those i encountered were possible to kill in a puriifer/hound, even with correct bomb type
Weird. Till now i have 4-5 drake kills with purifier and they went down easily. True they get less damage per salvo than ravens (and usually have higher EHP) but its still around 1 minute to pop one. But for starters i guess they might be too risky.
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else , hope you like the rest of the guide ^^
Well guide is nice :) Except for the points i quoted (and are debatable) the rest it spot on. Heh even i learned one trick (carrying non racial bomb... sounded like no brainer when soloing but i guess it didnt occur to me you can actually do so ;p)
Ah as for HACs. IMO cerbs are easiest, deimoses second. Most deimoses will pack medium drones and MWD bomber can just ignore those. Cerbs will hit you for a bit of DPS but its tankable (at least for long enough till it pops). Tho i have mixed feeling of engaging cerb with AB bomber. If he has MWD he will run :( And one did. Other had no MWD and died. Snake set might be a response here (AB bomber with gistii btype AB and nanos/aux thruster goes around 1km/s, preferably you want at least 1,5km/s to catch up with HACs).
Run from zealots. Always :P
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Deva Blackfire
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/10/2009 17:12:03
Go minmatar. You might have some problems vs ravens (explo is racial - but you can always bring EM bombs) but at least you get decent ceptors and good AFs. Or even better get both - it takes like a week to get one to lv5 so it shouldnt be a big problem.
Fitting wise both hound and purifier are VERY similiar. Wheras hound needs MAPC (or ancillary router) purifier sometimes needs co-proc (on the hardest fitting setups). On lighter fits (like mwd + injector) both should fit without a problem.
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Deva Blackfire
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.11.04 11:48:00 -
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If you have spare grid (and only looking at fit you should have some) you might want to try gistii MWD. It uses less cpu but more grid than coreli.
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Deva Blackfire
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.11.07 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bass Player
Hello guys,
i have a question for Vala; playing in EFT, i saw like with T2 launchers and T2 torpedoes i may do better DPS and Volley without losing too much speed. Without considering the "wallet" problem (T2 are more expensive ok), its better to ideally mount T2 torpedoes or not? and why?
Thanks.
Fitting issues. T2 launchers take LOTS of CPU and grid. 99% of the time you will have to gimp your setup to actually fit them. As a result arbalets + BCU + damage rigs will usually outdamage t2 launchers.
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Deva Blackfire
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.11.08 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
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Well, if you cannot one-volley stuff, you actually need a point on anykind of ship you want to solo with, so...even if something is sub-optimal in your opinion, when it does something your fit can't and still maintain usability = obviously not failfit.
Except it's not usable. You can kill industrials and hulks, that's it. SBs suck at soloing.
Maybe YOU can kill only indys and hulks (and looking at your setup i doubt you can even kill a hulk before it decides to warp out - they have quite decent tank vs bombers). Im quite fine with killing both BCs and BSs. But yeah, that requires having a point on your ship.
And one more thing - it seems to me you are trolling here. Thread is named "guide to the solo-bomber". It works, people here can ask about improvements to their SOLO setups. The ones that fight inside point range. So if you dont have anything to add (except for your whining) or no questions imo you should leave.
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.10 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: slightly sillydude
I'm less impressed with how many solo battleship kills you have than how you managed to find so many solo battleships :/
Not really that hard. At worst you should catch 1 NPCer per day easily. As bombers were boosted around year ago... 1+1=2 eh?
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.13 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alenora Tizar
Thanx marco! But are stealth bombers as viable w/o the bomb in lowsec? 
Its really depends on the target. My 1st solo kills were in bomber without bomb launcher so yes - they work quite well without bombs. And in lowsec? Depends what you want to do. If solo kill newbs on belts - doable. Solo kill good pilots on belts? Dont think it will be possible - they will either have good tanks (and just tank your 500dps) or will just swat you with neuts/drones. Gang support? Well its not "solo" but they are perfect for flying with gang as forward scouts/warpin points/primary tacklers. Hell i used my mission bomber for this stuff, except for tackling part (i just paited target so others in gang could target faster and tackle).
BUT due how lowsec (and especially FW) combat looks like bombers are quite hard to use in PVP. You will meet lots of ceptors which you cant kill (no bomb and forget about firing torps at frigs), lots of cruisers (similiar issue tho tad easier to kill) or just plain blobs so staying close to hostiles is suicidal. The solo bombers just excel at ganking busy targets which will have hard time focusing on bomber itself or just lack proper weapons.
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Deva Blackfire
Cry Me a River INC
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Posted - 2009.12.30 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 30/12/2009 14:43:50
Originally by: Toma Pulii
i think target painter is a must for the intended purpose
Not really. Even without painter you deal more DPS on cruisers than most frigs do (bar the highest DPS ones).
As for setup above: drop DC and put something more useful there/some more CPU-intensive mods in mids. Hell even co-proc + target painter would be better. If something gets to your structure you are dead anyways.
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Deva Blackfire
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.05 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kusachiho
So then again, the question is which of the two should I go for first? The purifier, or the hound?
They both seem to be decent because of the extra mid slot, but one allows for more speed, and the other seems to allow for a greater tank?
Thanks!
One you think looks better. Both are almost the same in use (hound tad faster, purifier carries 1 or 2 more bombs).
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Deva Blackfire
Shut Up And Play
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.17 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 17/04/2010 09:54:27
Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras
About Wormhole: I never personnaly been in them , but I think it would be possible to drop the bomb launcher for a core probe launcher, freeing a bit of CPU for ballistic control , and thus, compensating for the loss of alpha from the missing bomb
Never used bomber in WH, only larger ships but i think sleepers would switch onto you and open you new one in few seconds.
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AFAIK rigors do not work with torpedos.
They dont. Only combat boosters do (crash? cant remember name).
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